[Steering Committee] What about Robert Martin to present in November?

Robert Martin unclebob at objectmentor.com
Tue Aug 28 20:46:28 PDT 2007 

I'm working on a new talk:  Clean Code III: Functions.  This is a  
talk about what makes a good function.  I'd present a lot of Java  
code, and a lot of lecture and discussion.

Please send the speaker evaluation form in triplicate.  I'll bury it  
in soft peat for a few months.


On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Brett L. Schuchert wrote:

> Of late he's been giving talks related to software professionalism  
> in different languages. Here's the one he's giving tonight at agile  
> Houston:
> 	http://agilehouston.org/Main/CleanCodePart2
>
> However, he's got a few. I'll talk to him tonight to see what he's  
> got up his sleeve. I've also CC'd him so he can respond when he has  
> enough time to stop recording videos for some training we're  
> developing...
>
> Brett
>
> p.s. Bob, disregard that previous email. I should have figured out  
> Ryan was being sarcastic, he's managed to rope me in on more than  
> one occasion.
> 	
> On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:37 PM, ryan hoegg wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm sorry.  I should have said "Application for Permission to
>> Propose a Topic for Consideration by the Esteemed Steering Committee"
>> :)
>>
>> We'd love to have Bob.  What's he going to talk about?
>>
>> On 8/28/07, Brett L. Schuchert <schuchert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Well if that's the case, then let me say "OUCH" as I remove the  
>>> hook he so
>>> skillfully buried deep into my cheek!
>>>
>>> BTW, just taught the first day of our 3-day course on concurrency  
>>> (which I
>>> will steal from for the September talk). Pretty smooth for a  
>>> first-cut - not
>>> without bumps, but pretty solid so far.
>>>
>>> Brett
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Jason Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Ryan was joking.  I hope he was, as I have no idea what  
>>> he's talking
>>> about. :P
>>>
>>> On 8/28/07, Brett L. Schuchert < schuchert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I've forwarded this email on to Bob, so realize that I am neither
>>>> evading or filtering the request from Bob.
>>>> ----
>>>> So how long has the submittal process involved using two forms?
>>>>
>>>> When did the process become a process?
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused at the need for a process, have we become so big  
>>>> that we
>>>> need bureaucracy? Or it is more related to how we communicate  
>>>> and the
>>>> fact that there's essentially a distributed group? (In reality, I'm
>>>> really not part of the WE because I've never been to a steering
>>>> committee meeting.) Did the APLN get their hands on the group  
>>>> somehow?
>>>>
>>>> What problems are these forms solving or what's the specific  
>>>> business
>>>> value is added by having such forms?
>>>>
>>>> I know I am biased because I work for Bob, but he has been an
>>>> industry-recognized leader for several years - long before I worked
>>>> for him. Do we really need a presenter evaluation form for him?
>>>> (Again, remember I forward this email on to Bob so I'm asking  
>>>> because
>>>> it sounds silly to me but I'm also conforming so I really am  
>>>> questing
>>>> the sanity of the request WHILE going along with the inmates.) BTW,
>>>> if the answer is yes, we need to evaluate Bob Martin, then I  
>>>> suspect
>>>> I better fill out the same documentation for the September
>>>> presentation because if his 25+ years of experience, books, papers,
>>>> numerous presentations and keynotes at several conferences as  
>>>> well as
>>>> being one of the primaries on the Manifest of Agile Development  
>>>> does
>>>> not immediately qualify him as a potential presenter, then my few
>>>> talks at the JUG sure as hell should not qualify me for a talk  
>>>> since
>>>> I have never filled out this form. And if I'm completely off  
>>>> basis on
>>>> my interpretation of "Presenter Evaluation Form" then maybe it  
>>>> should
>>>> be renamed.
>>>>
>>>> He's not going to care about any of this, he's very easy going. I
>>>> really don't care about the specifics of asking Bob for these  
>>>> things.
>>>> I'm really trying to get an understanding of what these two  
>>>> forms are
>>>> doing when I've never seen nor heard of these things.
>>>>
>>>> Brett
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 PM, ryan hoegg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds good.  Do you have some topic proposals he can present  
>>>>> to the
>>>>> JUG Presentation Committee for approval?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason, send him the Application to Propose a JUG Presentation  
>>>>> Topic
>>>>> and the Presenter Evaluation Form so we can start the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/28/07, Jason Lee <jason at steeplesoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/07, Brett L. Schuchert < schuchert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm checking his schedule but you think that might work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jason Lee, SCJP
>>>>>> Software Architect -- Objectstream, Inc.
>>>>>> JSF RI Dev Team
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