[Steering Committee] [OKC JUG] meeting suggestions and other stuff
Brett L. Schuchert
schuchert at yahoo.com
Fri May 23 07:38:50 PDT 2008
I prefer the evening meetings... The only advantage the Lunch meetings
have is that I could fly out later in the day if I was teaching
Wednesday - Friday, which is unlikely.
I vote to move 'em back.
But I'm out all of June and I'll also miss July (in Philadelphia).
Damn...
Brett
On May 23, 2008, at 8:52 AM 5/23/08, Brandon N. Burk wrote:
> Well said Jason. I agree with what you and Shoe have mentioned
> regarding organizational and individual commitment.
>
> I used to prefer the evening meetings due to the relaxed schedule
> and conversation. I felt that the lunch meetings were too difficult
> to commit to because of hectic work schedules (i.e. meetings). Then
> I had a kid--ditching my wife and baby for several more hours after
> a work day was more difficult. The lunch meetings became the better
> of the two options despite meaning less time to catch up with
> colleagues and less time for Q&A during presentations. Fast forward
> a year. The kiddo is getting older and my wife doesn't need the
> break as much as she used to; the work schedule is busier than
> before. So I'm back to wishing that evenings were "where its at" for
> good material and energized conversation. It just so happens my
> team's iteration wrap-up and planning meeting lands on Tuesdays, so
> that's already interfered with our ability to make the lunch sessions.
>
> In other words; everyone is going to have unique (and changing)
> needs in their schedules. It is up to the individual to make the
> commitment to increasing their "knowledge portfolio".*
>
> Have a fantastic long-weekend!
>
> Brandon
>
> *Term borrowed from Matt Smith
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Jason Lee <jason at steeplesoft.com>
> wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Brian Sheldon <brian.s.sheldon at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> So I guess we'll wait for the next steering committee meeting to
> make any decisions on this? the thread has gone cold....
>
> Sorry, Brian. There's a lot hanging out there that needs to be
> addressed (iirc), and I have a couple of items of my own that I'd
> like to bring up, but I'll do that in another thread. :)
>
>
> When we only had evening meetings, we used to have 30 minutes to
> talk with each other and get to know people. I guess now we can
> arrive early and/or stay late. Any other suggestions?
>
> As much as I've loved the success in terms of numbers with the lunch
> meeting, holding the meeting at that time really does limit what we
> can do. We can schedule the lunch meeting for two hours and devote
> 30 minutes of that to networking, with the rest going to the normal
> meeting, for example, but that's taking liberties with everyone's
> employer's time that we really shouldn't. I can probably swing the
> two hours, but I'd have to make it up at some point, but some
> employers aren't quite as flexible.
>
> Doing this in the evening might help, but if this is the only thing
> happening in the evening (or this plus our trial Nerdlings concept),
> we may not get the numbers to make it truly effective. A third
> option (which I was going to address in The Other Email, but I'll go
> ahead and do it here) is to switch back to evenings only. From what
> I've gathered from the JUG leaders list as well the leaders I talked
> to JavaOne, this is the approach that most JUGs take. Of course,
> they usually link their meetings to hitting a bar somewhere
> afterwards -- something others here are free to do, I guess. :P The
> downside is that might affect our attendance numbers. Personally,
> I'm not too worried about the numbers. I want the JUG to be
> effective first, and big second (or fifteenth). I'm not necessarily
> sold on or advocating the idea, but it's something worth thinking
> about: Does switching back to evenings only offer enough benefit to
> justify the major change in schedule?
>
>
> * Send out requests of what is useful for next meeting
> I'm not sure what this really means. If you want to see a
> presentation on some in particular, send an email to the group.
>
> This may mean something like "You need to be familiar with these
> concepts" or "Bring a laptop if you have one" etc. Total guess.
> Personally, it seems a careful reader should be able to glean that
> from the session abstract, but, if someone is asking for clarity
> there, we probably need to make some adjustments, as we're to help,
> right? Granted, you can't help everyone, but this doesn't seem too
> onerous.
>
>
> * UoP is far from the FAA
> I agree with this. but - We had several lunch meetings at the
> Francis Tuttle at Reno and Rockwell in the hopes that people from
> the FAA would show up. I don't think we had many (if any) show up.
> Do we want to try and have some meetings down at FT again? The rooms
> are free at FT.
>
> I may have already said this, but I agree with... Brett's (?)
> assessment: We can't cater specifically to one organization. To a
> certain extent, and organization has to be willing to put some
> effort into the JUG (or, for that matter, training its own people)
> to make things really effective. We're at UoP because it's
> affordable, and fairly centrally located (at FT, we alienated a
> bunch of Edmond people, for example). While I'm certainly open to
> new locations (see The Other Email), intentionally moving closer to
> one specific organization just to be closer to it doesn't make sense.
>
> I think that's it here. I'll get to work on The Other soon... :)
>
> fyi - the next sc meeting is scheduled for May 26th - which, for me,
> is a holiday. I suggest we move it.....
>
> brian
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Jason McIntosh
> <jwmcintosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> This sounds interesting, and seems like with Mark's proposed format
> we could do it at a lunch meeting. If people want to hang around
> after to continue discussions that would be fine.
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Brian Sheldon <brian.s.sheldon at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> I agree too.
>
> So now the question is where and when.
>
> We could do this before or after the June 10th lunch meeting
> - or -
> we could do this sometime at the June 10th evening meeting (but no
> one shows up for those - maybe they would for this?)
> -or-
> we could do this on some other date.
>
> If we did this on some other date, would we want to meet at UoP? If
> so, who would pay for the room? We could do this at Francis Tuttle
> at Reno and Rockwell - last time we used FT it was free. I'll be
> happy to set it up with FT if that's what we decide.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Mitch Blevins <Blevins at iecokc.com>
> wrote:
> Seconded. (or thirded)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jug-bounces at lists.okcjug.org [mailto:jug-bounces at lists.okcjug.org
> ] On Behalf Of Ivan Zhidov
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: jug at lists.okcjug.org
> Subject: Re: [OKC JUG] meeting suggestions and other stuff
>
> You got my vote. This is a different format, sounds interesting.
>
> Ivan
>
> Mark Smith wrote:
> > Could we have meeting where people from different places do a 5
> minute presentation of how java is being used in different places,
> this is 30 minutes and then 30 minutes of then mixing and talking
> about with each other. People could have name tags that say where
> they work so if we hear that the FAA is using OSGi, I could find an
> FAA person and ask them questions about it.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: jug-bounces at lists.okcjug.org on behalf of Brian Sheldon
> > Sent: Tue 5/13/2008 8:42 PM
> > To: okcjug mainlist
> > Subject: [OKC JUG] meeting suggestions and other stuff
> >
> >
> > Sorry there wasn't any vegie pizza today. Pizza Hut screwed up the
> order. GDH did ask for some vegie pizza's.
> >
> >
> > "Why did they invent Velveeta? So that vegetarians could have
> Spam too."
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are some of the comments on the evals today:
> >
> >
> > * (need) time to network
> >
> > When we only had evening meetings, we used to have 30 minutes to
> talk with each other and get to know people. I guess now we can
> arrive early and/or stay late. Any other suggestions?
> >
> >
> > * Send out requests of what is useful for next meeting
> >
> > I'm not sure what this really means. If you want to see a
> presentation on some in particular, send an email to the group.
> >
> >
> > * UoP is far from the FAA
> >
> > I agree with this. but - We had several lunch meetings at the
> Francis Tuttle at Reno and Rockwell in the hopes that people from
> the FAA would show up. I don't think we had many (if any) show up.
> Do we want to try and have some meetings down at FT again? The rooms
> are free at FT.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are some of the suggested topics for future meetings:
> >
> >
> > * Grid
> > * GWT
> > * Web Services
> > * ESB
> > * BPEL
> > * Spring
> > * JSF (a lot of these)
> > * OSGI
> > * Seam
> > * JPA
> >
> > Brian
> >
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> >
> >
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