[Steering Committee] Meeting

Jason Lee jason at steeplesoft.com
Mon Feb 1 12:06:29 PST 2010 

Sounds good. Thanks.

On 2/1/10 2:05 PM, Brett L. Schuchert wrote:
> OK, then it is settled. That's the presentation for next week.
>
> Title:
> Get your business out of my face (working title that is)
>
> Description:
> Testing a system through its UI is often seen as the gold standard of 
> testing. However, practice shows that an ill-designed system is not 
> easily testable through its UI, and even worse, the implementation 
> leaves testing through the UI as the only option.
>
> In this 60 minute talk, Brett will demonstrate one example of moving 
> business logic out of the UI and then describe the kind of testing 
> that should be done against the UI. This talk will begin with a code 
> demonstration and end with a discussion of UI-oriented testing techniques.
>
> (VERY rough draft, I'll revise before the meeting tomorrow.)
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:33 PM 2/1/10, Les Martin wrote:
>
>> That is exactly what I've been working on lately... big productions 
>> issues as a result... I'm liking where this is going! :-)
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>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Chad Gorshing <gorshing at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gorshing at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I like that, there is a lot of code which has business logic stuck on
>>     the UI side where it does not belong.
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Brett L. Schuchert
>>     <schuchert at yahoo.com <mailto:schuchert at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>     > What about doing something on the blog I did last year related
>>     to making UI
>>     > code more testable?
>>     > Taking something that's not testable in the UI and then testing it?
>>     > That dovetails with Les' suggestion.
>>     > On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:23 PM 2/1/10, Les Martin wrote:
>>     >
>>     > topic suggestion:
>>     > "introducing unit tests to an untested legacy code base."
>>     > would be awesome! :-D
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>>     > * Les Martin                                        *
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>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Brett L. Schuchert
>>     <schuchert at yahoo.com <mailto:schuchert at yahoo.com>>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> OK, looks like I will not be in Israel again (yet), so I can
>>     speak.
>>     >>
>>     >> I don't have a subject, however.
>>     >>
>>     >> Brett
>>     >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:57 AM 2/1/10, Jason Lee wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> > Sounds good.  Do we have a speaker?  Brett?
>>     >> >
>>     >> > On 2/1/10 10:55 AM, Chad Gorshing wrote:
>>     >> >> Works for me
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Ryan
>>     Hoegg<ryan.hoegg at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.hoegg at gmail.com>>
>>     >> >>  wrote:
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> Tomorrow at the CoCo then?
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Chad
>>     Gorshing<gorshing at gmail.com <mailto:gorshing at gmail.com>>
>>     >> >>>  wrote:
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>>> Why don't we just put these on a recurring schedule to
>>     meet at the
>>     >> >>>> CoCo?
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> I think we should meet though.
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Paul
>>     Smith<paul0731 at gmail.com <mailto:paul0731 at gmail.com>>
>>     >> >>>>  wrote:
>>     >> >>>>
>>     >> >>>>>  We were supposed to have the SC meeting last week.  Are
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>>     >> >>>>> on
>>     >> >>>>> having one or going 2 months in a row without one?
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>>     >> > Jason Lee, SCJP
>>     >> > President, Oklahoma City Java Users Group
>>     >> > Senior Java Developer, Sun Microsystems
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