[Steering Committee] Is there anybody out there?

[Andres Barbaro]

LOL, yeah, sure Java is in the cloud - after all Oracle is a cloud
provider, right?  JK

I meant serveless as you pointed out.  However, besides the terrible
startup/warmup issue and the JVM memory footprint to just boot, which
GraalVM is addressing there's still the issue of memory density, which
project Valhalla (proposed in 2014! 😱) is trying to solve by introducing
value types and generics specialization.  And then the whole thing about
Threads vs Fibers... I guess this to mean means there's still a lot to do
in the ecosystem to be optimized for serverless execution.

For TS type system, lots of things (some very simple) that you can still
not do in java.  Like union types, discriminating types, conditional types,
keyof types, type guards, ...


On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jason Lee <jason at steeplesoft.com> wrote:

> Traction in the cloud? There's LOTS of Java in the cloud. Lots and lots.
> If you mean "serverless", then you may be on to something, but Java is
> definitely alive and well on Someone Else's Computer. :P
>
> I'm curious as to how TS and Rust seem more advanced? I've used TS some,
> and it doesn't seem TOO different from JS (which is pretty gross :) but
> with types. Haven't used Rust, so no opinion there.
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 9:02 PM Andres Barbaro <andres at tailwindapp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Now that Covid-19 is ..., well, hopefully I don't jinx it... behind us, I
>> wouldn't mind meeting again, also contributing some $ for food, etc.
>>
>> I've been living rather happily on the Typescript ecosystem (Node on the
>> back, React on web and mobile), with a little bit of Rust.  So no Java for
>> me for about 2 years, but this still has a place in my heart (mostly
>> melancholy).  It seems the whole GraalVM can bring some good traction for
>> Java on the cloud finally.  I'd be interested in your perspective on
>> Typescript and Rust type systems vs Java - they seem far more advanced and
>> at the same time easier to use based on my experience.
>>
>> TTYL
>>
>> Andres
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 9:06 AM Jason Lee <jason at steeplesoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering the same thing and have been meaning to ask, but got
>>> busy. I'd rather not see the JUG die, of course, but things are trickier
>>> now than they were. Now that we're not part of Techlahoma (which I guess
>>> can be fixed), we have no budget, so it's all charity for food/hosting,
>>> virtual sessions, or we go back to fundraising, with all of the legal and
>>> accounting issues that brings with it.
>>>
>>> All that said, I've been working with OpenTelemetry, as well as
>>> MicroProfile, and could work something up on either of those...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 6:39 AM Chad Gorshing <gorshing at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all - just checking on the JUG, the last email I'm finding was a
>>>> few months ago in Jan.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering where we are at. Do we need to start this thing back up?
>>>>
>>>> But then again, maybe I missed something - very likely.
>>>>
>>>> Chad
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