<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well if that's the case, then let me say "OUCH" as I remove the hook he so skillfully buried deep into my cheek!<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>BTW, just taught the first day of our 3-day course on concurrency (which I will steal from for the September talk). Pretty smooth for a first-cut - not without bumps, but pretty solid so far.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Brett</DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Jason Lee wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I think Ryan was joking. I hope he was, as I have no idea what he's talking about. :P<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 8/28/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Brett L. Schuchert</B> <<A href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com"> schuchert@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I've forwarded this email on to Bob, so realize that I am neither <BR>evading or filtering the request from Bob.<BR>----<BR>So how long has the submittal process involved using two forms?<BR><BR>When did the process become a process?<BR><BR>I'm confused at the need for a process, have we become so big that we <BR>need bureaucracy? Or it is more related to how we communicate and the<BR>fact that there's essentially a distributed group? (In reality, I'm<BR>really not part of the WE because I've never been to a steering <BR>committee meeting.) Did the APLN get their hands on the group somehow?<BR><BR>What problems are these forms solving or what's the specific business<BR>value is added by having such forms?<BR><BR>I know I am biased because I work for Bob, but he has been an <BR>industry-recognized leader for several years - long before I worked<BR>for him. Do we really need a presenter evaluation form for him?<BR>(Again, remember I forward this email on to Bob so I'm asking because<BR>it sounds silly to me but I'm also conforming so I really am questing <BR>the sanity of the request WHILE going along with the inmates.) BTW,<BR>if the answer is yes, we need to evaluate Bob Martin, then I suspect<BR>I better fill out the same documentation for the September<BR>presentation because if his 25+ years of experience, books, papers, <BR>numerous presentations and keynotes at several conferences as well as<BR>being one of the primaries on the Manifest of Agile Development does<BR>not immediately qualify him as a potential presenter, then my few<BR>talks at the JUG sure as hell should not qualify me for a talk since <BR>I have never filled out this form. And if I'm completely off basis on<BR>my interpretation of "Presenter Evaluation Form" then maybe it should<BR>be renamed.<BR><BR>He's not going to care about any of this, he's very easy going. I <BR>really don't care about the specifics of asking Bob for these things.<BR>I'm really trying to get an understanding of what these two forms are<BR>doing when I've never seen nor heard of these things.<BR><BR> Brett<BR><BR>On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 PM, ryan hoegg wrote:<BR><BR>> Sounds good. Do you have some topic proposals he can present to the<BR>> JUG Presentation Committee for approval?<BR>><BR>> Jason, send him the Application to Propose a JUG Presentation Topic <BR>> and the Presenter Evaluation Form so we can start the process.<BR>><BR>> On 8/28/07, Jason Lee <<A href="mailto:jason@steeplesoft.com">jason@steeplesoft.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> On 8/28/07, Brett L. 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