I think Ryan was joking. I hope he was, as I have no idea what he's talking about. :P<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/28/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brett L. Schuchert</b> <<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">
schuchert@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I've forwarded this email on to Bob, so realize that I am neither
<br>evading or filtering the request from Bob.<br>----<br>So how long has the submittal process involved using two forms?<br><br>When did the process become a process?<br><br>I'm confused at the need for a process, have we become so big that we
<br>need bureaucracy? Or it is more related to how we communicate and the<br>fact that there's essentially a distributed group? (In reality, I'm<br>really not part of the WE because I've never been to a steering
<br>committee meeting.) Did the APLN get their hands on the group somehow?<br><br>What problems are these forms solving or what's the specific business<br>value is added by having such forms?<br><br>I know I am biased because I work for Bob, but he has been an
<br>industry-recognized leader for several years - long before I worked<br>for him. Do we really need a presenter evaluation form for him?<br>(Again, remember I forward this email on to Bob so I'm asking because<br>it sounds silly to me but I'm also conforming so I really am questing
<br>the sanity of the request WHILE going along with the inmates.) BTW,<br>if the answer is yes, we need to evaluate Bob Martin, then I suspect<br>I better fill out the same documentation for the September<br>presentation because if his 25+ years of experience, books, papers,
<br>numerous presentations and keynotes at several conferences as well as<br>being one of the primaries on the Manifest of Agile Development does<br>not immediately qualify him as a potential presenter, then my few<br>talks at the JUG sure as hell should not qualify me for a talk since
<br>I have never filled out this form. And if I'm completely off basis on<br>my interpretation of "Presenter Evaluation Form" then maybe it should<br>be renamed.<br><br>He's not going to care about any of this, he's very easy going. I
<br>really don't care about the specifics of asking Bob for these things.<br>I'm really trying to get an understanding of what these two forms are<br>doing when I've never seen nor heard of these things.<br><br>
Brett<br><br>On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 PM, ryan hoegg wrote:<br><br>> Sounds good. Do you have some topic proposals he can present to the<br>> JUG Presentation Committee for approval?<br>><br>> Jason, send him the Application to Propose a JUG Presentation Topic
<br>> and the Presenter Evaluation Form so we can start the process.<br>><br>> On 8/28/07, Jason Lee <<a href="mailto:jason@steeplesoft.com">jason@steeplesoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> On 8/28/07, Brett L. Schuchert <
<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">schuchert@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> I'm checking his schedule but you think that might work?<br>>>><br>>><br>>> Works for me.<br>>><br>>> --
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