<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm not sure the order is important but my gut tells me we should look at Stephen's solution first simply because it uses Java as is. The Aspect J stuff doesn't require a special compiler but it does require libraries and using the 1.5 class-loading hook.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Brett<br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:20 PM 10/31/07, Jason Lee wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>How will this affect the lunch session?<br><br>Jason Lee, SCJP<div>JSF RI Dev Team</div><div><a href="http://blogs.steeplesoft.com">http://blogs.steeplesoft.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:56 PM, "ryan hoegg" <<a href="mailto:ryan.hoegg@gmail.com">ryan.hoegg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I like the two topics, and we could schedule the pizza and chit chat in between. Stephen and Brett, could you let us know what order we should schedule you?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"> Brett L. Schuchert</b> <<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">schuchert@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="">Well we could skip the hello java this week and instead have two presentations. I'm game.<div><br></div><div>What does the steering committee think?</div><div><br></div><div>Brett<div><span class="e" id="q_115f6b241a50b717_1"> <br><div><div><div>On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Stephen Maina wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Hi Bret,</font> <br> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">In about two weeks, I will have my presentation pretty well having some structure to it, and I can accurately tell you how much time I may need. But anything betw 30 - 45 minutes would be excellent </font> <br> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Regards</font> <br> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Stephen Maina</font> <br> <br> <br> <br> <table width="100%"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td width="40%"> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><b>"Brett L. Schuchert" <<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"></a><a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">schuchert@yahoo.com</a>></b> </font><p><font face="sans-serif" size="1">10/30/2007 03:22 PM</font> </p></td><td width="59%"> <table width="100%"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td> <div align="right"><font face="sans-serif" size="1">To</font></div> </td> <td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">OKC JUG Steering Committee Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"></a><a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a>></font> </td></tr><tr valign="top"> <td> <div align="right"><font face="sans-serif" size="1">cc</font></div> </td><td><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><a href="mailto:smaina@hertz.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> </a><a href="mailto:smaina@hertz.com">smaina@hertz.com</a></font> </td></tr><tr valign="top"> <td> <div align="right"><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject</font></div> </td><td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [Steering Committee] possible december speaker </font></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> <table> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td> <br></td><td><br></td></tr></tbody></table> <br></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> <br> <br><font size="3">It's all good...</font> <br> <br><font size="3"> We could do both. We should find out how long he needs to present. I know I can do a reasonable version of the talk in about 45 - 55 minutes. It would be interesting to see the two back to back. However, I'm just throwing that out. He can have December or not. </font> <br> <br><font size="3">Brett</font> <br><font size="3">On Oct 30, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Brian Sheldon wrote:</font> <br> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Stephen Maina (Valtech) has offered to do a talk on using annotations and reflection instead of AOP. (Brett - you guys oughta talk - I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say on his solution) </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">He might be able to do the December meetings (january for sure).</font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Does this sound like a good topic?</font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">He also mentioned a possible topic he could do - instead of using sockets, use some new IO class to do network stuff... </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> </font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Brian</font> <br><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> </font> <br><font face="Helvetica" size="2"><br> __________________________________________________ <br> Do You Yahoo!?<br> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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