On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Brian Sheldon <<a href="mailto:brian.s.sheldon@gmail.com">brian.s.sheldon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
So I guess we'll wait for the next steering committee meeting to make any decisions on this? the thread has gone cold....<br></blockquote><div><br>Sorry, Brian. There's a lot hanging out there that needs to be addressed (iirc), and I have a couple of items of my own that I'd like to bring up, but I'll do that in another thread. :)<br>
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">When we only had evening meetings, we used to have 30 minutes to
talk with each other and get to know people. I guess now we can arrive
early and/or stay late. Any other suggestions?<br><br></div>As much as I've loved the success in terms of numbers with the lunch meeting, holding the meeting at that time really does limit what we can do. We can schedule the lunch meeting for two hours and devote 30 minutes of that to networking, with the rest going to the normal meeting, for example, but that's taking liberties with everyone's employer's time that we really shouldn't. I can probably swing the two hours, but I'd have to make it up at some point, but some employers aren't quite as flexible.<br>
<br>Doing this in the evening might help, but if this is the only thing happening in the evening (or this plus our trial Nerdlings concept), we may not get the numbers to make it truly effective. A third option (which I was going to address in The Other Email, but I'll go ahead and do it here) is to switch back to evenings only. From what I've gathered from the JUG leaders list as well the leaders I talked to JavaOne, this is the approach that most JUGs take. Of course, they usually link their meetings to hitting a bar somewhere afterwards -- something others here are free to do, I guess. :P The downside is that might affect our attendance numbers. Personally, I'm not too worried about the numbers. I want the JUG to be effective first, and big second (or fifteenth). I'm not necessarily sold on or advocating the idea, but it's something worth thinking about: Does switching back to evenings only offer enough benefit to justify the major change in schedule?<br>
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">* Send out requests of what is useful for next meeting<br>I'm not sure what this really means. If you want to see a presentation on some in particular, send an email to the group.<br>
</div><br>This may mean something like "You need to be familiar with these concepts" or "Bring a laptop if you have one" etc. Total guess. Personally, it seems a careful reader should be able to glean that from the session abstract, but, if someone is asking for clarity there, we probably need to make some adjustments, as we're to help, right? Granted, you can't help everyone, but this doesn't seem too onerous.<br>
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">* UoP is far from the FAA<br>I agree with this. but - We had several lunch meetings at the
Francis Tuttle at Reno and Rockwell in the hopes that people from the
FAA would show up. I don't think we had many (if any) show up. Do we
want to try and have some meetings down at FT again? The rooms are free
at FT.<br></div>
<br>I may have already said this, but I agree with... Brett's (?) assessment: We can't cater specifically to one organization. To a certain extent, and organization has to be willing to put some effort into the JUG (or, for that matter, training its own people) to make things really effective. We're at UoP because it's affordable, and fairly centrally located (at FT, we alienated a bunch of Edmond people, for example). While I'm certainly open to new locations (see The Other Email), intentionally moving closer to one specific organization just to be closer to it doesn't make sense.<br>
<br>I think that's it here. I'll get to work on The Other soon... :)<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">fyi - the next sc meeting is scheduled for May 26th - which, for me, is a holiday. I suggest we move it.....<br>
<br>brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Jason McIntosh <<a href="mailto:jwmcintosh@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwmcintosh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
This sounds interesting, and seems like with Mark's proposed format we could do it at a lunch meeting. If people want to hang around after to continue discussions that would be fine. <br><div><div></div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Brian Sheldon <<a href="mailto:brian.s.sheldon@gmail.com" target="_blank">brian.s.sheldon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I agree too.<br><br>So now the question is where and when.<br><br>We could do this before or after the June 10th lunch meeting <br>
- or -<br>we could do this sometime at the June 10th evening meeting (but no one shows up for those - maybe they would for this?) <br>
-or-<br>we could do this on some other date.<br><br>If we did this on some other date, would we want to meet at UoP? If so, who would pay for the room? We could do this at Francis Tuttle at Reno and Rockwell - last time we used FT it was free. I'll be happy to set it up with FT if that's what we decide.<br>
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<br>Brian</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Mitch Blevins <<a href="mailto:Blevins@iecokc.com" target="_blank">Blevins@iecokc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Seconded. (or thirded)<br>
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You got my vote. This is a different format, sounds interesting.<br>
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Ivan<br>
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Mark Smith wrote:<br>
> Could we have meeting where people from different places do a 5 minute presentation of how java is being used in different places, this is 30 minutes and then 30 minutes of then mixing and talking about with each other. People could have name tags that say where they work so if we hear that the FAA is using OSGi, I could find an FAA person and ask them questions about it.<br>
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> Here are some of the comments on the evals today:<br>
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> * (need) time to network<br>
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> When we only had evening meetings, we used to have 30 minutes to talk with each other and get to know people. I guess now we can arrive early and/or stay late. Any other suggestions?<br>
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> * Send out requests of what is useful for next meeting<br>
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> I'm not sure what this really means. If you want to see a presentation on some in particular, send an email to the group.<br>
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> * UoP is far from the FAA<br>
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> I agree with this. but - We had several lunch meetings at the Francis Tuttle at Reno and Rockwell in the hopes that people from the FAA would show up. I don't think we had many (if any) show up. Do we want to try and have some meetings down at FT again? The rooms are free at FT.<br>
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> Here are some of the suggested topics for future meetings:<br>
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> * Grid<br>
> * GWT<br>
> * Web Services<br>
> * ESB<br>
> * BPEL<br>
> * Spring<br>
> * JSF (a lot of these)<br>
> * OSGI<br>
> * Seam<br>
> * JPA<br>
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