<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">OK, then it is settled. That's the presentation for next week.<div><br></div><div>Title: </div><div>Get your business out of my face (working title that is)</div><div><br></div><div>Description:</div><div>Testing a system through its UI is often seen as the gold standard of testing. However, practice shows that an ill-designed system is not easily testable through its UI, and even worse, the implementation leaves testing through the UI as the only option.</div><div><br></div><div>In this 60 minute talk, Brett will demonstrate one example of moving business logic out of the UI and then describe the kind of testing that should be done against the UI. This talk will begin with a code demonstration and end with a discussion of UI-oriented testing techniques.</div><div><br></div><div>(VERY rough draft, I'll revise before the meeting tomorrow.)<br><div><div><br></div><div>On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:33 PM 2/1/10, Les Martin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">That is exactly what I've been working on lately... big productions issues as a result... I'm liking where this is going! :-)<br clear="all">/**********************************************<br>* Les Martin *<br>
* <a href="http://gangof10.blogspot.com/">http://gangof10.blogspot.com</a> *<br>* <a href="http://approaching-agile.blogspot.com/">http://approaching-agile.blogspot.com</a> *<br>***********************************************/<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Chad Gorshing <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gorshing@gmail.com">gorshing@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I like that, there is a lot of code which has business logic stuck on<br>
the UI side where it does not belong.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Brett L. Schuchert <<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">schuchert@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> What about doing something on the blog I did last year related to making UI<br>
> code more testable?<br>
> Taking something that's not testable in the UI and then testing it?<br>
> That dovetails with Les' suggestion.<br>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:23 PM 2/1/10, Les Martin wrote:<br>
><br>
> topic suggestion:<br>
> "introducing unit tests to an untested legacy code base."<br>
> would be awesome! :-D<br>
> /**********************************************<br>
> * Les Martin *<br>
> * <a href="http://gangof10.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://gangof10.blogspot.com</a> *<br>
> * <a href="http://approaching-agile.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://approaching-agile.blogspot.com</a> *<br>
> ***********************************************/<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Brett L. Schuchert <<a href="mailto:schuchert@yahoo.com">schuchert@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> OK, looks like I will not be in Israel again (yet), so I can speak.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't have a subject, however.<br>
>><br>
>> Brett<br>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:57 AM 2/1/10, Jason Lee wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Sounds good. Do we have a speaker? Brett?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 2/1/10 10:55 AM, Chad Gorshing wrote:<br>
>> >> Works for me<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Ryan Hoegg<<a href="mailto:ryan.hoegg@gmail.com">ryan.hoegg@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Tomorrow at the CoCo then?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Chad Gorshing<<a href="mailto:gorshing@gmail.com">gorshing@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>> Why don't we just put these on a recurring schedule to meet at the<br>
>> >>>> CoCo?<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> I think we should meet though.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Paul Smith<<a href="mailto:paul0731@gmail.com">paul0731@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>>> We were supposed to have the SC meeting last week. Are we planning<br>
>> >>>>> on<br>
>> >>>>> having one or going 2 months in a row without one?<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >>>>> sc mailing list<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >>>> sc mailing list<br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >>> sc mailing list<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> sc mailing list<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Jason Lee, SCJP<br>
>> > President, Oklahoma City Java Users Group<br>
>> > Senior Java Developer, Sun Microsystems<br>
>> > <a href="http://blogs.steeplesoft.com/" target="_blank">http://blogs.steeplesoft.com</a><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> sc mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
>> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> sc mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> sc mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
sc mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org" target="_blank">http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.okcjug.org/" target="_blank">http://wiki.okcjug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
_______________________________________________<br>sc mailing list<br><a href="mailto:sc@lists.okcjug.org">sc@lists.okcjug.org</a><br>http://lists.okcjug.org/listinfo.cgi/sc-okcjug.org<br>http://wiki.okcjug.org<br>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/okcjug/<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>